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[INdr]

Goodday All,

Please forgive me for asking for so much in a first post but… you know what, Ill let the situation explain its self. Just be warned, this is going to be VERY text heavy.

STORY TIME! :popcorn:

About 6 Months Ago I decided that I wanted to build for the first time, a Desktop PC, I chose this for a number of reasons, the primary reason being I wanted to learn more about computers as a whole instead of just being a user of them (Otherwise I would have bought some "custom" prebuilt and been done with it). That said, I must say I am no novice at computers (three finger salute and all that), but it seems the PC Building side is a whole 'nother world of computers I never really thought about (mostly because I didn't need to, It just needed to work). That said I imagine from your point of view I'm going to say some pretty stupid stuff, so I ask for your understanding...just in case. So...what are my requirements for my PC? Its rather simple really...Once I build it, it will last me a large number of years ( and with the help of overclocking- which at the moment I know nothing about – I will most likely add to those years). It must be able to run highest setting in any game that comes out in the year that I build it (Just about, it's the basic jist that I mean... I don't mean such a thing LITERATELY... Kind of.). It must be able to run 3dx Max, Photoshop, Zbrush…ALL of it, without any trouble. Rendering. Rendering. Rendering. Be it games of applications.

Basically put… I wanted to push it as hard and as fast I could. It's just me.

I know that such a monster no doubt would have a price a-bit higher than I would like, but I, being a very fortunate and blessed individual for the time, I could save up for it and I did. That's right… I could buy most of the parts right now, than again "I could have" I think would be a better description now. Recently I had to use up my saved funds for something else…so all I have now is 6 Months of research and nothing to play with.

That just will not do.

So what am I doing here? I'm showing you what someone who 6 moths ago didn't even know what a ATX or a 1155 had to do about computers. I'm showing you what I chose in the 6 months time so that you can with your undoubtly longer use and expertise in computers can tell me things a relative noob such as myself wouldn't have seen otherwise due to lack of experience in this particular part of computers. Than after all this is done and done, perhaps in another 6 or so months when/presuming I have at the funds again, I shall post here again, reference this post…and show what I have chosen in context to what I learn by posting this Massive Post here.

Oh! Also… not that I don't trust that you all have an extensive know how in computers, but I have also C+P this post at two other comp-site forums. Chances are at least one of you frequent said other forum as well, so I wanted to let it be known now for future reference. All Prices are approx. as of date of post. All Links work as of date of post.

STORY END :Awwwww:

Allrighty let's get down to the topic at hand.

Case - Thermaltake - Level 10 GT Snow Edition - $ 289.99 Link

Reason: In all my research I saw things like "ATX" & "E-ATX" for Mobos. In finding out the answer I knew I had to choose my Case First. I chose this because I like the features it has (the fan door design is a nice touch) and I think I could make something out of the white case (Is it just be or is Red and Black the New Beige for computers…just an observation)

Mobo - EVGA - X58 Classified3 Motherboard - $ 344.99 Link

Thoughts: Now that I have a home for a Mobo, its time to actually get one. Since a Mobo is where most of the computer parts connect too I figured it wasn't something I wanted to skip on. At this point now I know I want something with USB 3.0 and Perhaps Thunderbolt if one comes out next year with such. That said this is what I chose at the time. I have to say it took me a good month to choose a motherboard. This is where I learned about "Pin configs". S-O-B… you could smell my brain smokin' up a mile away. Ugh! I than had to dabble abit into CPUs while choosing my mobo, but found it to be too much at the time. So while I did choose an X58 in this round, I would like a Z77 if I can.

As for how I finally made a choice… I flipped a coin. Hows THAT for knowhow. Even with all I have learned, the Specs mean nothing to me and all I see is Marketing Yada Yadda.

CPU – Intel – Intel Core i7-990X Extreme Edition Gulftown 3.46GHz 6 x 256KB L2 Cache 12MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor- $999.99 Link

Thoughts: Intel…AMD…Intel….AMD….FUUUUUUUUUUU. Intel is faster? AMD is a better value? Can't I get both? FUUUUUUUUUU. Coin helped here too ( CPU and Mobo Kissn' In a TowerTree…).

(2?) Graphic Card – AMD – HIS 6990 Fan 4GB GDDR5 PCI-E DVI/4xMini DP - $ 800ish Link

Thoughts: *Brain Rebooting*

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>/… Done.

MDOS Joke aside...I thought that the cpu and mobo would be the hardest thing to choose (since they kind of determine a lot more than most other components). Than I saw the "Mud" flying back and fourth about ATI (YES IT IS SHUT UP!) and NVIDA. This "Mud Slinging" did not help.

OooOo ATI can do "Crossfire" which I think has something to do about Two Video cards as one, but Nvida had "Cuda Cores" and Phizex or whatever its called. Is it valid or just marketing buzz words? Does the AMD…er…I mean ATI (YES IT IS SHUT UP!) have something comparable? Ugh. Nvida rep (Driver Problems?). Amd rep. Loss of words. Choose AMD only because that's what I have used before (technically).

Ram – Corsair – Dominator® GT with DHX Pro Connector and Airflow II Fan — 12GB (3 x 4GB) Triple Channel DDR3 Memory Kit - $ 339 Link

Reason: Seems to be some good repor for the company and I want to get the most memory I can for rendering (so much rendering). If I interpreted the larger numbers correctly this Ram seems large and fast (Giggity). Cheap Ram is Cheap.

Hard Drive (3)

OCZ – 60 GB Vertex 3 Series SATA III 6.0 Gb-s 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive

- $129.99 – for C: Link

OCZ – 240 GB Vertex 3 SATA III 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive MAX IOPS 6.0 Gb

- $550.99 – for D: Link

WD – 600GB VelociRaptor SATA Harddrive -$279.99 – Backup/E: Link

Reason: Self explanatory? Raid- Unknown. 5?

Cooling – Corsair – Hydro Series™ H100 Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler - $119.99 Link

Thoughts: Air. Water. Oil. Liquid Nitrogen. Heart! With these powers combined I still had to think for a-bit on how I would and Intend to be using the PC at its maximum and overclocked state. As you can tell if you looked at the case I chose I was thinking Big Air, even though I knew the Water would be the better (Oil was too Messy and LN is… Pricy). Let me tell you the max hard maintenance I want to have with the computer;

1.Open door (still awesome)

2. Compressed Air *SPHHHHHH*

3.?????

4.PROFIT!!!! ( Done )

With an open liquid cooled system I would have to feed my computer or risk melting and burning and so many other not good things. Not to mention the risk of the liquid splashing somewhere. So when I found something In the middle, I was ecstatic. Now I have Air Flow and Water Flow. Yay me.

Power!!!! – Thermaltake–Toughpower 1350W - $399.99 Link

Thoughts: POWUH!!!!!!!!

PCI EX SSD – OCZ - RevoDrive 3 Series 120 GB PCI Express 4 GB-s Slim Solid State Drive -$399.99 Link

Thoughts: If only I had the cash for a ioDrive Octal.



Peripheral – AeroCool – V12XT - $59.99 Link

Thoughts: Buttons. MMMMMMmm.



APROX. TOTAL PRICE Thus Far : $5,514.9



---------------- In the Air / Undecided ----------------



Blu-Ray Player - Plextor - PX-B940SA internal 12X BD Writer - $219.99 Link

Thoughts: I would get a Floppy Drive too If I could. I know I have star wars chess around here somewhere.

Network Card - Bigfoot Networks - Killer™ Xeno™ Pro - $47.00 Link

Thoughts: Spaeeeeeeeeeed!

Monitor – X – X - $???

Thoughts/Looking For: I have been eyeing Ostendo CDM43. Its fun to dream I could push it all the way and get one, but alas I can't. I would Also Like the Cintiq 24HD

as a Main monitor in a set up, but I don't see that happening either. SO! What am I looking for? Two/Three monitors at a high resolution ect ect for Games & Creative Applications. Need I say more?

Cable management, Lights & Other stuff – X – X - $???


Thoughts/Looking For: Million Dollar PC Cable management. I want it to look nice too. At this time I'm thinking a mix of white black and UV Ice Blue would look nice for cable management if done right. In the terms of lighting (that doesn't already come with it), I'm thinking what would be best for low light/no light conditions. I immediately go for red with its lower feq. But I don't want to do red. A mix of UV and a feint glow. I see a lot of nice stuff from A.C. Ryan & Vantec but It doesn't seem that they make that kind of stuff anymore. Sunbeamtech need to update their site (looks…dated and like a potential scam to me). Is Viso any good? And where do I go to find out how to do all this stuff properly. Is special paint a good idea?


Paranoid: The UV won't cause harm will it?

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So there you have it. Behold my computer-tastic ambition. I hope it all compatible. I hope if I have made any errors (which I will most likely will not be surprised with), I ask that you explain my err in full. I'm also sure that there is a chance that some of these things might not have all the bang for the buck, take note that once I make my final computer...that it. Even with the modular capabilities of a PC I will not be throwing down more cash in till I get the very last drop usefulness in..."whatever". I'll be too busy with other things. That's just how it is. It's part of why I chose what I chose at that time. Case and point I still have & Use a CRT Monitor.


Thank You for any information you can give.

[ExtremeGrandpa]

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( and with the help of overclocking- which at the moment I know nothing about – I will most likely add to those years)

Before anyone chimes in I see 1 major mistake you have made. Somehow you think overclocking will increase the lifespan of your rig.

Sadly that isnt true. It will increase how long your rig will compete with newer released hardware, but will decrease its lifespan due to increased voltages and heat due to overclocking.

So actually in reality OCing decreases the lifespan of hardware. The good thing is newer hardware will out pace your setup faster than a decent OC will reduce its lifespan.

Welcome to the forums. I am sure the guys will get you sorted.

EG

Edited by ExtremeGrandpa, 30 September 2011 - 06:40 PM.

[Derbixrace]

i'd look at something like this, much cheaper and imo much better

[WOLF_TEAM_LEADER]

Firstly, if you are looking to build a future proof PC I would highly recommend waiting for the new LGA 2011 Sandy E CPUs and X79 motherboards to come out as they will offer far great features, longevity and performance than the ageing X58 gear.
New AMD GPUs are suppose to be out shortly and Keplar should arrive early next year.
Secondly, the current specs aren't too smart (no offence, just experience) and I am sure that many members will have recommendations and pointers for you.
Also try not to go too all out on your first build unless you have money to waste as you will regret it in 12-14 months when all the new hardware comes out and you can't afford it :/
What I can currently say about that config:
That case has poor airflow and not a great feature set, that mobo is all right although the R3E would be a better choice and I wouldn't heavily recommend EVGA mobos, for the applications you mentioned I would go for Nvidia cards although I am no expert in that area.
3 SSD's and a Raptor??? Don't at all bother with the raptors they are just hot, loud and slow just get a few Samsung F3's or WD Blacks. If you want a separate SSD for the OS and one for apps and games then get a OCZ Vertex 3 120GB for the OS and a nice Revodrive 3 for the apps and games.
That memory is OK although you could get much better speed and even capacity at that price point.

Basically I would highly recommend you wait to at least the end of this year if not the start of next year as the hardware will be twice as good and you will also have much more experience when it comes to choosing parts.

Good Luck

EDIT: So are you saying that you won't be buying the PC for 6 months?
That's good if that's correct however nothing you look at now will be good in six months
Also are you going to be heavily using 3ds Max etc. or just every now and then cos a simple 2600k build right now will cover normal gaming and rendering.

Edited by WOLF_TEAM_LEADER, 30 September 2011 - 07:09 PM.

[INdr]

WHAAAAAAAAT ?!?!?!?!?!? "You have posted more than the allowed number of quoted blocks of text "
WTF does that mean? I mean...I know what that means, but why would you...I.... wha? Whatever.
I now return you to the regularly scheduled edited C+P. Larger text is the bunch of quotes.
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Hmm. It seems I should have updated my picks...if only for the sake of the conversation. I am well aware that some of the parts are old by computer standards (Most of these came out during the early half of this year >_>). I do apologize for that confusion. I wanted to see if I had put down cash at that moment and bought all these things, if it would have been worth the cash (AKA get most out of every dollar). I am now glad that I didn't.

With that said...there is MUCH clarification to be done.

For the benefit of all I'm going to answer the mass of posts from all three forums into one post, and C + P it. In no particular order might I add.

Oh wow...where do I start.

Overclock Undertime

Before anyone chimes in I see 1 major mistake you have made. Somehow you think overclocking will increase the lifespan of your rig.
Sadly that isnt true. It will increase how long your rig will compete with newer released hardware, but will decrease its lifespan due to increased voltages and heat due to overclocking. So actually in reality OCing decreases the lifespan of hardware. The good thing is newer hardware will out pace your setup faster than a decent OC will reduce its lifespan.

Noted. That said the reason I even had the thought that OCing my hardware would make it last longer is because I have done it once before...on a 2 1/2 old laptop (*GASP*). Yes Yes...I am well aware of the grand risk I took by overclockeing in a laptop ....I was young & naive! It worked too. That extra push along with an unlocked/unofficial ATI driver I made it so that my computer could see decals...like blood splatter. It was a good day, in till three years later my screen died. No biggy though...just plugged it into a CRT monitor.

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Case - Thermaltake - Level 10 GT Snow Edition

Ok so I ...admittedly sadly... have seen alot mentions of this case. The things I have seen have not been nessasarly good. A pity since I really have my heart set on this case. Here is some of what I liked about it:

-Easy to open- Yes that is a feature to me. Some of the desktops, like my old emachinesand gateway 2000 (HOLY S*IT IM OLD! WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN!!!) were nothing short of a pain in the neck to open... and then close. As such this is now a feature because of good design.

-I felt that it had good airflow- This has been one of the errs you all have mentioned:

That case has poor airflow and not a great feature set

Your Tower is fine, but it doesn't have the airflow or cable management that the Haf-X case does.

I'll get on the case recommendation in a moment... where was I ....ah! Airflow. I felt it had good airflow and so seeing the opposite stated surprised me. It has "one top 200mm exhaust fan, one front 200mm intake fan, one side 200mm intake fan and one rear 140mm exhaust fan." And you're saying to me that it has poor airflow?!? WHA O_o? Can at least someone explain this to me?

-Price- Ok...Ill admit it, this case is expensive for a case. My calling the price a feature I liked is a joke. Har Har. Aren't I cleaver. That said... I have no qualms for paying extra if those extra dollars are worth it. Even then... I just really like this case. Don't know why ...just do.
All that said, I looked at Haf-X case. It's a nice case. Its fans are bigger. Cool story bro.

All this Memory and I forgot something

PCI EX SSD – OCZ - RevoDrive 3 Series 120 GB PCI Express 4 GB-s Slim Solid State Drive -$399.99 - you really dont need this unless you have huge databases that need super fast access. The reason to buy an SSD is just for your main programs and OS For everything else a normal HD will be fine you wont see much if any difference other then load times for your less used programs.


you have 3 different solid state drives in this quote which makes no sense. The Revodrive is majorly fast if you want to take that route. However, any of those on your list would be sufficient, unless you want to install ALOT of programs which case you should not consider the 60GB. You really only need one of these drives choose one and loose the others.

You're harddrive configuration is a bit confusing. You'll be booting from the Revodrive if you utilize it, thus you will not need the 60Gb or the 240gb ssd's. Just buy a bigger Revodrive if you want more space. You don't need a Raptor for backups, it's a waste of money. Normally people utilize an SSD for a boot drive and store their data on a larger Harddrive. Your SSD really only needs to accommodate your OS, Games, and Programs.

For what you are paying for your 600gb velociraptor and the two SSD's, you could buy a single SSD of 256GB for windows and important software... and then buy 4 1TB WD Caviar black drives and run them in Raid 10... not only would you not need a backup drive, it would outperform your single velociraptor by a lot (Even using SATA2) and eliminate your need for 2 SSD... Saving you almost $400 here...



THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU! What a lovely mass of know how. All noted. I appears I really need to look in to memory more. My reasoning was based off a number of things. I hibernate more than even the laziest of bears. This is because I need to get on my computer fast. Cold boots are a very far anf few between. So... 60 GB SSD of C: for a quick boot, 240 GB SSD as D: to be used as my main. The 600GB VelociRaptor add my storage for things I still use. I would also have an external backup drive for things I wouldn't used but needed to keep. So... as you can see I had a chain of command in mind. All this is for a very good reason (which also will answer a question not shown here). Tons of 3dxMAX/Zbrush Files, all connected. Adobe Suit files connected. Lots of Tiff. Lots of RAW. Crysis, Metro, Rage. Kapeesh? Good.

I wasn't kidding when I said I wanted to push it as hard and as fast I could. I have a very good reason for it. That's why I need to throw down the cash. I shall explain "why not just get a 'workstation'" later. Oh an I am aware of Window 8 apparent new boot speed.

As for the RevoDrive. I thought it would make the Hard Drives more efficient, no actually act as a hardrive. That's ...yea. In my desperation to understand I seem to have grabbed whatever straws I could find. I have a-lot to think about in this part of the computer. I just need it to be as efficient and quick as possible. A System within the system or else I won't find anything. That said I shall leave off with this:

... Also curious about your choice of a PCI express SSD... Why spread graphic port bandwidth across your hard drive as well? (Especially if you are going to be running data/graphic intensive programs at the same time.)
As much as I hate to admit it, you lost me. I know what you are asking is a very good question, but I can't seem to grasp the question.

I don't think a rewording is going to help.

The ultimate power in the universe is insignificant next to the power of the Force

That power supply is WAYYY overkill. Look at 750/850w PSUs with a single 12v rail. Corsair are good in this range. Personally Ive got an enermax 750 that has performed exceptionally for me.

Ditch the Thermaltake PSU. Go with Enermax or Corsair

Power!!!! – Thermaltake–Toughpower 1350W - This is overkill unless your running 3 way SLI or if you can't find a 800-900 watt psu that has the required connectors.
As for the PSU, the system you are building requires no more than an 800w.. 1000w would be more than safe and the 1350 you are buying could probably power your system twice.

k. Question: I am aware what happens when something has too little power ("Cyberpunk Still Life" ), what would happen if I gave it too much power/ more than required?
How will I know how much power is needed for an overall rig?

Something Cool and Clever goes here!

The H-100 is pretty good if your curious about watercooling but unwilling to put the effort fourth to build a custom loop. High end air is almost as good though so dont just dismiss it.

I can't knock the choice of the corsair water cooling due to the fact that I use a H70 and love it and it does allow for a great amount of overclocking.

YAY! I did something right! Does anyone know of any other types of closed liquid loops? Recommendations on High-end Air cooling solutions?

Dodge this

Your ram is fine is you stick with the 990, but if you go to the newer i7 they use dual channel memory and you can find cheaper 16 gb sets than what your paying for that 12 gb set.
That corsair ram is not bad at all, you would probably be served just as well buy a cheaper set though. There are a few great 1866 sets with cas 8 timings that you can hook up with @ ~$80 for a dual channel kit.

As you have read by the time you read this, I render ALOT. So I NEED ram like you would not believe.

The one shown was the largest fastest I could find at the time (taking note that it's in three sticks to get the total 12). Know of something better faster quicker than a Daft-Punk Beat? Let me know.

...and then we get to the videocard

Before I throw down the quotes let me first state "why not just get a 'workstation'". Originally I wanted to get one of those crazy priced Nivida Workstation cards (Quadro or Tesla), the thought being that I could get one card to kill two birds with one diamond. Oh!...but that would be too easy (of course it is). Unfortunately the drivers for the card would give cause for this to backfire. The drivers are made with the focus on work applications. Therefore any gains I might have with a game would backfire, and would be laggy due to the card not knowing what to do with the game engine(s). Unfortunate to say the very least, since it would be kind of nice to have an extra Teraflop or whatever of computing potential.

Quad crossfire will do nothing for you if you're gaming on a 24" monitor, save your money

there really is no need for dual 6990s one is completely sufficient for any game that is out or will be out in the next few years even with 2-3 monitors

The above explanation is why I have more than one video card. The hope is that with the extra cards it can be used for both games and processing potential. At this point I look forward to the 7990s and all the rumors swirling around it.

...oh and just one more thing

Why not the classified sr-2 mobo?

I have to admit... I did at one time originally consider it. If it wasn't for this I wouldn't have looked up what "E-ATX" meant and so forth. Can you image...TWO CORES! HAAHHAH! Yes. All that ram. I got all giddy. Then I realized what it was for. Bedsides the fact that I don't *think* that It would fit in the case mentioned, this board is made for server racks. As a server board it does have the ability to use XEON CPUs, which is awesome, but I found out one little tid bit that...if true...makes it a deal breaker. Server boards can't hibernate. If you have read this MASS-O-TEXT fully (and as such I applaud you), you know that is a big thing.
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WHEW!!! Well that's it for now. I need to splash my hands in water before they combust. And fall off. Then Explode.

Thank You all for your words of wisdom and know how.

[INdr]

So... Not that I like to double post or anything, but is that it? I mean...three posts? Is that all the help I'm going to get here?

Edited by INdr, 03 October 2011 - 07:45 PM.

[ExtremeGrandpa]

INdr, on 03 October 2011 - 07:45 PM, said:

So... Not that I like to double post or anything, but is that it? I mean...three posts? Is that all the help I'm going to get here?

I can see two issues here I would like to point out for you. First your posts are a bit lengthy and I am sure that turns some members off, so they skip it. And secondly you post and then bounce out the door quickly instead of hanging around. because if the members here are trying to help you I have seen threads go just like a text chat. In essence if someone asks a question it would benefit you to hang around a bit at the start and then check in several times daily so you can ask questions and answer them as well. These guys can spec a rig in just a short while if someone will interact back within a short period of time.

PS also the weekends tend to be slowest on traffic here.

also your topic title doesnt really fit and maybe mistaken for something other than what it is and skipped. Also a little tip on forum etiquette, "when coming it a forum as a new member find the welcome area (most forums have them ) and introduce yourself to the other members, give a little background etc..... And then post anything else you may want to ask.

EG

Edited by ExtremeGrandpa, 03 October 2011 - 09:14 PM.

[Honey Badger]

I thought this thread was asking for a build suggestion to learn how to build computers... so I skipped it cuz I'm horrible at recommending "easy to use" parts... now I spose I'll haveta read! lol

[Honey Badger]

Okay... it looks like you're looking for Build Advice, so here goes based on your part selection:

1: Your case selection sucks. BAD. That Case is horrible, overpriced, and ugly. If you want something flashy and unique, get a LanBoy Air, just be ready for dusting regularly.

2: DO NOT get antiquated/overpriced technology. X58/990X maybe the highest priced, "most cores" out there, but you can get a i7 2600k & P67 WS Revolution setup, like mine, and beat it, with lower heat to dissipate, and WAY less money spent.

3: Do not buy Dual-GPU cards. They suck, they run hot, and they simply aren't worth the money. If you wanna run high end, 2 GTX 580s will do nicely. If you wanna save a few hundred bucks, you could do 2 GTX 570s instead, or if you want top level performance at a good cost, 3 GTX 570s will beat down just about any program, benchmark or game out there like nothing.

4: Do not buy Corsair RAM. I know most people love it, but it's overpriced ooglay garbage IMO. G.Skill is just as good, cheaper, and more attractive looking imo. That's a personal choice though, I prefer to spend less and have more visually pleasing RAM.

5: Consider getting a Vertex 2 drive instead. They're cheaper, so you can thusly get a BIGGER SSD for the same price/cheaper.

6: Don't buy a VelociRaptor. Overrated. Overpriced. Not worth it. If yer gonna buy a regular HDD, get yourself a big fat Western Digital Black 2TB or somethin' similar.

7: If you're going to get liquid cooling, either go with an H70, or build your own loop from scratch, OR buy a pre-assembled loop from someone like Koolance. the H100 is overpriced, and doesn't perform that much better than the H70. Also, if you go with my idea and get a 2600K setup instead of a 990X, the H70 will be plenty to keep it happy at 4.6-5GHz OC.

8: There is no substitute for the Corsair AX1200W PSU. Some people may like Thermaltake better, but I've owned both, and this Corsair AX1200W unit is by far the better. It can run 3-Way + PPU of 4 GTX 580s in harsh benchmarks like Mafia II and not even cap out draw wise, or amperage wise.


If you do the build itself my way, you'll probably save about 2 grand combined on the Mobo/Processor/Video Cards

[INdr]

ExtremeGrandpa, on 03 October 2011 - 08:50 PM, said:

I can see two issues here I would like to point out for you. First your posts are a bit lengthy and I am sure that turns some members off, so they skip it. Vis a Vi TL;DR...Right? While I admit the amount of text is indeed daunting, I certainly hope this isn't the cause. I put a-lot of thought into this and I want to make sure my thoughts are solid. To do that I need to present them. And secondly you post and then bounce out the door quickly instead of hanging around. because if the members here are trying to help you I have seen threads go just like a text chat. In essence if someone asks a question it would benefit you to hang around a bit at the start and then check in several times daily so you can ask questions and answer them as well. Since my two posts presented that appearance I can understand why that could be said, but I should also note that I haven't had that issue before, even now amongst the different places where I have asked the same questions seen here. I would have gladly done so if I had more posts. I'm actually surprised on how well I have been juggling three threads in three places. These guys can spec a rig in just a short while if someone will interact back within a short period of time. I look forward to seeing such.

PS also the weekends tend to be slowest on traffic here. Noted

also your topic title doesnt really fit and maybe mistaken for something other than what it is and skipped. I was hoping posting in the "Spec Me!" part of the forums would cause the topic title to be irrelevant Also a little tip on forum etiquette, "when coming it a forum as a new member find the welcome area (most forums have them ) and introduce yourself to the other members, give a little background etc..... And then post anything else you may want to ask. In my experience of the internet I have found its been better to put a toe in the water first before diving all in. This is why I apologized as I did in my first post.

Thank You EG

My words = Periwinkle

So...for those of you who have shunned my Mass-O-Texts (which I must say I find disappointing )
This is what I am thinking about getting in the future (why the future...well that's explained in the text if you care):

Motherboard - Z68 Compatible
CPU - Ivy Bridge/ Preferably Z77
CPU Cooler - Corsair Cooling H100 CPU Cooler
RAM - 16gig G.SKILL Ripjaws X 11-11-11-30 DDR3 2133Mhz 1.6v
GPU - TBD
GPU Cooler - For those long(?) renders. TBD
Storage - ?Size OZD Revodrive/ ?Size OZD SSD (Or the Hybrid)
Case - E-ATX Compat. Something >_>
PSU - Depending on Final Calc. Need Corsair PS HX850W/ Enermax Platimax 1050W EPM1050EWT/Enermax MAXREVO 1200W EMR1200EWT
OS - Windows 7 Ult 64 or Windows 8
Peripherals - ?
Monitor(s) - ?
Speakers - ?

I must ask a few more standard questions that have been asked before and will be asked again (along with what I have gathered):

-Intel and AMD? What's the Difference? (Better Performance Vs Better Value?)

-Nvidia and "ATI"? What's the Difference? (Its goes back and forth...It seems Nvidia has the upper hand currently )

-Why aren't those two often asked questions a sticky in the forum? (or are they...I hope I didn't somehow miss it.:-/)

-Have any thoughts or recommendations for a Double/Triple Monitor? Preferably with a Ultra-Slim Bezel (Like this TV-that-is-too-big-and-pricy-to-be-even-used-as-a-monitor) has if possible.

-I'm thinking about getting some MDPC sleeves, but I know nothing on how to put them on, what I can and can't put them on...ect. Any help in that endeavor as well is appreciated.

-Other than this site, any recommendations on sites where I could gather more info and learn?
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Thank You.

Before Post Edit: I see I got a bite..from a Honey Badger! Ill shall edit accordingly.
After Post Edit:

Honey Badger, on 03 October 2011 - 09:30 PM, said:

Okay... it looks like you're looking for Build Advice, so here goes based on your part selection:

1: Your case selection sucks. BAD. That Case is horrible, overpriced, and ugly. If you want something flashy and unique, get a LanBoy Air, just be ready for dusting regularly.
I don't think its ugly...so NAH! Also the reason I even know about is because this site reviewed the black one. That said your suggestion is one of the better ones that has been suggested, and I will agree that it is abit more interesting. Still boxy...but meh. Its an option.

2: DO NOT get antiquated/overpriced technology. X58/990X maybe the highest priced, "most cores" out there, but you can get a i7 2600k & P67 WS Revolution setup, like mine, and beat it, with lower heat to dissipate, and WAY less money spent.

3: Do not buy Dual-GPU cards. They suck, they run hot, and they simply aren't worth the money. If you wanna run high end, 2 GTX 580s will do nicely. If you wanna save a few hundred bucks, you could do 2 GTX 570s instead, or if you want top level performance at a good cost, 3 GTX 570s will beat down just about any program, benchmark or game out there like nothing.

4: Do not buy Corsair RAM. I know most people love it, but it's overpriced ooglay garbage IMO. G.Skill is just as good, cheaper, and more attractive looking imo. That's a personal choice though, I prefer to spend less and have more visually pleasing RAM.


5: Consider getting a Vertex 2 drive instead. They're cheaper, so you can thusly get a BIGGER SSD for the same price/cheaper.

6: Don't buy a VelociRaptor. Overrated. Overpriced. Not worth it. If yer gonna buy a regular HDD, get yourself a big fat Western Digital Black 2TB or somethin' similar.

7: If you're going to get liquid cooling, either go with an H70, or build your own loop from scratch, OR buy a pre-assembled loop from someone like Koolance. the H100 is overpriced, and doesn't perform that much better than the H70. Also, if you go with my idea and get a 2600K setup instead of a 990X, the H70 will be plenty to keep it happy at 4.6-5GHz OC.

8: There is no substitute for the Corsair AX1200W PSU. Some people may like Thermaltake better, but I've owned both, and this Corsair AX1200W unit is by far the better. It can run 3-Way + PPU of 4 GTX 580s in harsh benchmarks like Mafia II and not even cap out draw wise, or amperage wise.

If you do the build itself my way, you'll probably save about 2 grand combined on the Mobo/Processor/Video Cards

Since this thread lagged compared to the rest of the posts I have made, it is as such behind to the things I have learned in the past two days (though I did try to update that in my second post). Its interesting how one thing ("thing" in this case being my post) can work on one site, but not work at another.
That said your post Honey Badger confirms even more what I have learned and I thank you for your input.

Edited by INdr, 03 October 2011 - 10:18 PM.

[Honey Badger]

INdr, on 03 October 2011 - 09:49 PM, said:

-Have any thoughts or recommendations for a Double/Triple Monitor? Preferably with a Ultra-Slim Bezel (Like this TV-that-is-too-big-and-pricy-to-be-even-used-as-a-monitor) has if possible.

Heeeey that looks like the TV I use for my monitor... Samsung overprices their stuff as well. Sony is much better brand in terms of price-vs-quality for TVs IMO.

As for the Intel VS. AMD, that's pretty much the jist of it, Intel has the upper hand in both performance and cost lately though thanks to the 2600k and 2500k. If you're looking for sheer ridicu-performance, get a 2600k, you will not be disappointed. I doubt any game or program developed in the next two years will be able to fully utilize this processor and make it crawl at 4.4-5GHz, which it easily OCs to at least 4.4 and often as much as 5GHz with the right cooling/RAM combo.

As for NVidia vs. ATI, it's a matter of a few things... driver preference, which I severely favor NVidia, can't stand ATI's Catalyst Interface. Second, asthetics, which again I prefer NVidia cuz I don't really dig the color red when it comes to video cards... thirdly, performance, which NVidia usually ends up with the better hand in slightly. Right now you'd be hard pressed to convince me ANY setup of video cards is better price-vs-performance perfection than 2-3 GTX 570s. ::shrug::