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[thinktwice]

Righthooks, on 14 February 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

Therefore, if changes cannot be applied directly to the storage device, it is either a motherboard limitation via SATA (AHCI/IDE), or specific external controllers that limit bandwidth across non-identical drives. If you come across this scenario, odds are you have reached a limitation outside of the capabilities of the device/mainboard.

So you are saying that on certain motherboards/devices the benefit of the read/write speeds of ssd can not be achieved using the HDD as a storage?! Is my understanding correct?
I'll just do a fresh OS installation and follow the step 4 and step 5 and i really hope that everything will work like it should. I'll keep you updating as soon as i manage to reinstall win and try step 4 and 5 out. Thanks a lot for your help Chears

Edited by thinktwice, 14 February 2012 - 02:43 PM.

[thinktwice]

hello felias
As i said, i did a complete reinstallation of windows and followed the instructions above (4 and 5) but unfortunalety nothing changed, so in my case when i install or copy programs on PC Games folder i don't benefit from read/writes of my ssd, just everything is getting really slow on loading. I tested BF3 on ssd and on PC Games folder and the difference is like day and night on loading time. I don't know if the problems lias on my sata connection cause i use sata nr2 for ssd and sata nr3 for hdd cause the first sata connection is blocket from my graphics cards i doubt that this could be my issue but who knows everything is possible?! It makes sense to mention that my drives are runing on sata2 not sata3. Is it possible to solve this issue by buying a sata 3 controller and use it on pci express slot? I have seen some on the internet and these controller are not very expensive i could afford one what do you think hooks? thnx Chears

Edited by thinktwice, 15 February 2012 - 07:10 PM.

[Righthooks]

Sorry for the late response, I really need to monitor threads more carefully.

Question: When you attempt to load a game from the PC Games folder are you seeing a constant color tone on the HDD activity indicator? I believe you may have either aligned incorrectly the source drive of the OS, and the data storage area located on the HDD partition (PC Games). Also, when you assigned the HDD/PC Games did you occupy the entire partition space on the format?

If I have the answer to these I can better isolate the issue.

Again, I apologize for the late response. I am all over the internet these days, and my work schedule outside of that has been quite full.

EDIT: As soon as I get a response I will be on the job for you.

-Hooks

Edited by Righthooks, 14 March 2012 - 07:01 PM.

[thinktwice]

Righthooks, on 14 March 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

Sorry for the late response, I really need to monitor threads more carefully.

Question: When you attempt to load a game from the PC Games folder are you seeing a constant color tone on the HDD activity indicator? I believe you may have either aligned incorrectly the source drive of the OS, and the data storage area located on the HDD partition (PC Games). Also, when you assigned the HDD/PC Games did you occupy the entire partition space on the format?

If I have the answer to these I can better isolate the issue.

Again, I apologize for the late response. I am all over the internet these days, and my work schedule outside of that has been quite full.

EDIT: As soon as I get a response I will be on the job for you.

-Hooks

Thnx for the response mate. So, i haven't wired the hdd activity indicator with my case so i cant see when hdds are working but when i load a game from PC games folder i can hear my hdd working and load speeds are very slow. when i asseigned hdd/pc games i didn't occupied the entire space only the half of it!!
If you wish i could give you full control on my computer with Teamviewer and see for yourself if i have configured everything correctly. Just tell me when you have time i would really apriciate it if you could find a couple of minutes to help me:). I bought an 64gb ssd and the space is really very limited. I have stored only two games and the ssd is full can't install nothing on it ):.

Edited by thinktwice, 14 March 2012 - 10:55 PM.

[thinktwice]

hey hooks. I've been thinking what would happen if i change in the bios from AHCI mode to RAID, reinstall windows and redo your tutorial again from the start?! (just want to mention that i have only one ssd not two).
OMG this is getting interesting loll I'm really curious to see if i can manage to make this happen achieving my ssd read/write speeds while using HDD storage )))), but without your help grrrr i feel that i can't do it!!!

Edited by thinktwice, 14 March 2012 - 11:10 PM.

[Righthooks]

thinktwice, on 14 March 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

hey hooks. I've been thinking what would happen if i change in the bios from AHCI mode to RAID, reinstall windows and redo your tutorial again from the start?! (just want to mention that i have only one ssd not two).
OMG this is getting interesting loll I'm really curious to see if i can manage to make this happen achieving my ssd read/write speeds while using HDD storage )))), but without your help grrrr i feel that i can't do it!!!

You cannot establish RAID with non-identical drives. I am pressed for time this evening, but I will answer more thoroughly tomorrow. In the meantime do not change anything.

-Hooks

[thinktwice]

Righthooks, on 14 March 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

You cannot establish RAID with non-identical drives. I am pressed for time this evening, but I will answer more thoroughly tomorrow. In the meantime do not change anything.

-Hooks

okey mate see you tomorrow

[Righthooks]

thinktwice, on 14 March 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:

okey mate see you tomorrow

Could you do me a favor, and list your full system specifications. Mobo/BIOS.

Thank you

-Hooks

[thinktwice]

Amd phenom 2 x4 965
am2+ Msi board http://eu.msi.com/pr...html#/?div=BIOS with the latest bios v1.13 date 2010.09.20. Ofc is an sata II board.
4gb of ram
hd 6870 (Stock clocks)
1 ssd Samsung 830 64gb
1 Samsung 500gb HDD for storage
old IDE DVD RW
500W psu
My cpu is oc-ed with stock volts to 4GHZ completely stable, but when i installed windows and done your tutorial i removed overclocking aswell!
As i said above, if you have time now or today whenever you want just tell me i could give you full controll via Teamviewer and see for yourself what i have done. I assume u know the program everyone knows it lol.
Thns for the quick respond Chears Twice

Edited by thinktwice, 15 March 2012 - 11:41 AM.

[Righthooks]

Samsung MCX 3-Core Controller

I am in the process of discussion on another forum about this controller. I believe it is a category similar to Marvell, and operates differently under instruction than Sandforce.

When I have clarification I can move on as the controller being a culprit. It may also be a mainboard limitation as seen with the Assassin 2, as I posted previously in this thread.

I will be in touch later this afternoon.

-Hooks

[thinktwice]

Thank you Hooks . I don't understand why you mentioned Assassin 2 i have played that game in this motherbard but anyways dosen't matter hopefully i can get an answer to why its not working with my ssd or any solution of my problem. Thanx again. Later

[WestSideBridge]

thinktwice, on 15 March 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

Thank you Hooks . I don't understand why you mentioned Assassin 2 i have played that game in this motherbard but anyways dosen't matter hopefully i can get an answer to why its not working with my ssd or any solution of my problem. Thanx again. Later

He's talking about this: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813128533

[thinktwice]

ohh loll i thought he was talking about the game not bieng compatible loll Thank you for clarification.

[thinktwice]

Hooksyy you forgat me again?! lolll

[slixx]

Hooks is a legend for doing this article int he first place imo i wanted to do it so many time's but talked myself out of it, With other hardware coming tot he table now pritty much doing what hooks has done himself in maybe a more easyer way of doing it crucial have released an ssd just for cache http://www.overclock...rodid=HD-017-CR which can be added to an existing os install the software and wolla which for me is appealing but if i'm honest is is still a big a chunk of change just for this at £84 hope to see a review of it soon.

[WestSideBridge]

slixx, on 17 March 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

Hooks is a legend for doing this article int he first place imo i wanted to do it so many time's but talked myself out of it, With other hardware coming tot he table now pritty much doing what hooks has done himself in maybe a more easyer way of doing it crucial have released an ssd just for cache http://www.overclock...rodid=HD-017-CR which can be added to an existing os install the software and wolla which for me is appealing but if i'm honest is is still a big a chunk of change just for this at £84 hope to see a review of it soon.

IIRC OCZ and Crucial are using a large portion of Hooks' work for their chaching systems.

[xXDeltaXx]

Yup - hence he has taken a bit of a dislike to them... should have copywrited that method before telling us lol

We still know the truth though - Hook's idea

[WestSideBridge]

xXDeltaXx, on 17 March 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

should have copywrited that method before telling us

There is still legal recourse without a copyright. He made it, and he can sue them for stealing it --TBH it's a crime.

Now, since it was a crime commited by a corporation he will actually file a tort in civil court since it's all but impossible to hold a corporation criminally accountable--American legal paradox for the fail!

[slixx]

Yup it would be like fighting a losing battle

[WestSideBridge]

slixx, on 17 March 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

Yup it would be like fighting a losing battle

I see indy win a lot TBH, it's just always in civil court.